{"id":10068,"date":"2007-09-13T13:14:38","date_gmt":"2007-09-13T18:14:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.covchurch.org\/newswire\/?p=10068"},"modified":"2011-08-08T14:07:34","modified_gmt":"2011-08-08T19:07:34","slug":"5822","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/blogs.covchurch.org\/newswire\/2007\/09\/13\/5822\/","title":{"rendered":"Marty: Dabbling in Faith Doesn\u2019t Satisfy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>By Bob Smietana<\/p>\n<p>CHICAGO, IL (September 13, 2007) &#8211; It was a flight that Martin Marty would never forget.<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/blogs.covchurch.org\/newswire\/wp-includes\/js\/tinymce\/plugins\/wordpress\/img\/trans.gif\" _mce_src=\"http:\/\/blogs.covchurch.org\/newswire\/wp-includes\/js\/tinymce\/plugins\/wordpress\/img\/trans.gif\" alt=\"\" class=\"mceWPmore mceItemNoResize\" title=\"More...\"><\/p>\n<p>Marty,  the famed University of Chicago professor of church history, was  returning home from a speaking engagement in California some years ago,  and had settled in with a pile of books on the seat next to him. Before  he could start reading, a woman sat down on the other side.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAre  you religious?\u201d she asked, looking at his books. When Marty replied,  \u201cyes,\u201d she said, \u201cWell so am I.\u201d Then she began to describe her own  faith. She was a member of a local Christian church but also believed in  reincarnation, practiced yoga, and embraced any other \u201cspirituality\u201d  that came her way.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBy the time the flight landed, we\u2019d been  through the whole encyclopedia of religion,\u201d Marty recalled while  speaking at Anderson Chapel at North Park University in Chicago last  night.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/74\/2007\/09\/Marty.jpg\" _mce_src=\"\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/74\/2007\/09\/Marty.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"Marty\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-10181\" height=\"299\" width=\"399\" srcset=\"http:\/\/blogs.covchurch.org\/newswire\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/74\/2007\/09\/Marty.jpg 399w, http:\/\/blogs.covchurch.org\/newswire\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/74\/2007\/09\/Marty-300x224.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 399px) 100vw, 399px\" \/>Marty,  the Fairfax M. Cone Distinguished Service Professor Emeritus of the  History of Modern Christianity at the University of Chicago, was at  North Park to address this year\u2019s campus theme, \u201cWhat is the life of  faith?\u201d He was asked to address the issue of pluralism and Christianity  or, as he put it,&nbsp; \u201cWhat is the life of faith amidst all the other  faiths?\u201d (The accompanying photo shows Marty, left, with Stephen Graham,  dean of faculty at North Park Theological Seminary.)<\/p>\n<p>His  conversation on the airplane showed one of the downsides of pluralism,  Marty said. In a nation of many religions, it\u2019s easy to dabble in many  faiths and never commit to one. But that kind of spirituality has little  value.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYou can dabble in faith, but that doesn\u2019t satisfy,\u201d he  said. \u201cIt doesn\u2019t do anything for you at three o\u2019clock in the morning  [during a crisis] or when you get a diagnosis of cancer.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Other Faiths Can Be Beneficial<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>On  the other hand, encounters with other faiths can be beneficial. For  example, Marty said, the environmentalism of other faiths has sent  evangelical Christians back to the Bible, where they have read Genesis  with new eyes. \u201cOther faiths send us back to our own book to see what  has been obscured,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p>Marty told how an encounter with a  Muslim scholar made him see his faith with new eyes. While working on  the Fundamentalism Project, he visited Jerusalem and was taken to the  Dome of the Rock mosque. There he saw a stone with a hoof print on it,  where, according to Muslim tradition, Mohammed\u2019s horse stepped before  the prophet ascended into heaven.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBack at the hotel that night,  I told the story to my colleagues and had a good laugh,\u201d Marty said. \u201cI  said, \u2018They actually believe a horse took off from a rock and went to  heaven \u2013 that\u2019s how weird they are.\u2019 \u201d<\/p>\n<p>The next day Marty went to  the Mount of Olives and saw a stone commemorating the ascension of  Jesus. He realized that his Muslim colleague would be equally puzzled  that anyone could actually believe that Jesus ascended into heaven. (The  physics of Jesus\u2019s ascension had never quite occurred to Marty, who for  many years attended Ascension Lutheran Church in Riverside, Illinois.)<\/p>\n<p>Marty, who was a Lutheran pastor and church planter before  becoming a seminary professor, encouraged his audience to learn from  other Christian traditions as well. He recalled attending Chicago\u2019s  Gospel Fest one year, at the invitation of a city official. Having grown  up in a liturgical church, Marty said he felt out of place at first.  Then he was caught up in the music and praise and had a change of heart.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWith the traditions and life of faith we feed each other until it becomes so natural we hardly notice it,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Religious Freedom Helps Faith Thrive<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Although some evangelical Christians view pluralism with suspicion,  Marty argued that it creates an atmosphere for faith to thrive. In the  U.S., he said, faith thrives because of religious freedom. In Europe,  the establishment of state churches sapped energy from the faith.  Recalling a speech he\u2019d given once at a Mormon university, Marty said  that a&nbsp; \u201cgodless constitution\u201d\u2014one that did not establish a state  church\u2014made a place for \u201cgodly people.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPeople are more  vitally engaged in a faith that they choose than they are if they  passively accepted the faith handed down to them,\u201d he said. \u201cFreedom of  religion is the great gift Americans gave to each other.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Using a  quote from Voltaire, Marty pointed out that having many faiths can  create conditions for a more humane society. After visiting England,  Voltaire wrote, \u201cIf there were only one religion in England, there would  be danger of tyranny; if there were two, they would cut each other&#8217;s  throats; but there are thirty, and they live happily together in peace.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Still,  being uncomfortable with people of other faiths is an American  tradition, Marty admitted. He pointed out that few of the early settlers  were interested in religious freedom for all. Instead, they wanted to  establish their own faith as superior.<\/p>\n<p>So in 1654, when a group  of Jews fleeing from Brazil landed in New Amsterdam, the Dutch Reformed  Governor Peter Stuyvesant, wanted to send them away. If he let them in,  Stuyvesant believed, then he\u2019d have to let in other Protestants and  Catholics and soon the Dutch Reformed dominance of the new colony would  be lost. Stuyvesant was eventually forced to let these strangers from  another faith settle in New York. Tongue in cheek, Marty said, \u201cThat was  the beginning of the American phrase, \u2018There goes the neighborhood.\u2019 \u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Pluralism Here to Stay<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In  2007, Marty added, pluralism is here to stay. He pointed to a 1965  change in immigration laws, which opened up the U.S. to immigrants from  Asia. \u201cIt changed everything,\u201d Marty said. \u201cThere is no place you can  hide. Pluralism is here to stay with a great deal of vigor.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Taking  on another controversial topic \u2013 tolerance &#8211; Marty had two responses.  \u201cThe good part of tolerance is that nobody dies,\u201d he said. The downside  is that tolerance can mean watering down faith into meaningless  relativism or dabbling.<\/p>\n<p>He also took on those who argue that  the world would be better off without religion. He noted that the  biologist Richard Dawkins, author of <em>The God Delusion<\/em>, has argued that the world will be a wonderful place \u201conce we get rid of all religions.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut  we\u2019ve just spent a century trying to get rid of religion and 100  million lives were lost (in the process),\u201d Marty said. \u201cEvery major  totalitarian regime has tried to abolish all religion or to promote only  one true religion \u2013 but religion of all kinds is still thriving.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Marty  pointed out that in some ways, competing for followers makes religions  more creative and vital &#8211; and added that some established Christian  churches might do well to learn from new faiths.<\/p>\n<p>For example, he  said, \u201cMormon missionaries are trained to make 1,500 house calls before  finding one friendly response.\u201d By contrast, \u201cEpiscopalians invite  someone to church &#8211; which is generally the way people are first  introduced to faith &#8211; every 29 years.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo the Mormons have a little bit of an edge,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"wp-report-this\"><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.covchurch.org\/newswire?moderation_action=report_form&#038;object_type=post&#038;object_id=10068&#038;width=250&#038;height=300\" class=\"thickbox\" title=\"Report This Post\">Report This Post<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Bob Smietana CHICAGO, IL (September 13, 2007) &#8211; It was a flight that Martin Marty would never forget. 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